Showing posts with label Lloyd's Register. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Lloyd's Register. Show all posts

Thursday, 18 December 2008

Reply from LRS

This is the reply received from Lloyd’s Register of Shipping in response to our recent enquiry about the Gaul:
Dear ******

Thank you for your email and explaining your position. The legal enquiry is complete on the Gaul and information passed to the MCA. It will be Lloyd's Register's intention to work with them should they decide to take this further. If the MCA or other official body contract you to study this and request Lloyd's Register to assist, then we will be happy to participate in such a study, but not before.

I wish you success with your research.

Yours sincerely,

*************

Marine Director
Lloyd's Register
This answer doesn’t sound, at all, like a statement of faith on the merits of the 2004 RFI. Does it?

Compliance with the rules (Part II)

In our previous post we indicated several non-compliances with the safety rules pertaining to the construction of the Gaul’s duff and offal chutes.


We are now reporting on further non-compliances with the rules, details of which have been published within this DOCUMENT.

Compliance with the rules (Part I)

In the email received from Lloyd’s Register of Shipping on 29 May 2007, it was stated that that the FV Gaul had been built in accordance with Class and statutory requirements.

Similarly, the final report of the Gaul 2004 RFI, states on page 10 that the vessel was built to Lloyd’s Register of Shipping classification +100 A1 (Stern Trawler), Ice Class III for the hull. In their letter dated 7 November 2006, the Department for Transport (DfT) also confirmed that the FV Gaul and her sister ships were built under Lloyd’s approval.

Prompted by these remarks and as promised in an earlier post, we have decided to set out the reasons why these assertions are not wholly correct. These and further clarifications in this respect have been published on this PAGE

Letter from the Department for Transport

We have recently received an emailed reply from the Department for Transport (DfT):

http://www.freewebs.com/inconvenientcitizen/dftletter7nov.htm

The reply was of unattributed authorship and did not bear the usual DfT logo and header. Anyway, we assume that its contents would have been given some form of ministerial approval prior to dispatch.
The response was entirely as expected, apart from the disappointment of having taken nearly eight weeks to arrive.
The reply fails to address the design fault issue that was put forward in our paper, but merely reiterates the conclusions of the RFI. The DfT also carefully avoids to comment on whether this fault in the duff and offal chutes has been examined (either prior, during or subsequent to the 2004 investigation).

Now, we would like, in our turn, to comment on some of the points that are made by the Department:
“The investigation was conducted with unprecedented thoroughness………. The evidence……… was scrutinised by leading experts in the fields of oceanography, naval architecture and engineering.”
Yes, the investigation was thorough, but not consistently so. The critical areas – i.e. the duff and offal chutes - were not examined in depth.
“…….the FV Gaul and her sister ships were built under Lloyd’s approval, with the same duff and offal chutes design. On the sister ships these chutes survived under similar conditions and were retained until the end of their service.”
Ipse dixit. However, we don’t quite accept that the validity of a claim automatically follows from the authority of its source.

As to the sister vessels, the Department’s argument, which suggests that the design was satisfactory, is not sound. Our posting of 8 November (below) explains why.
“18.17 … it is important to note that although both chutes were found to be open both in way of the non-return flap and the internal top cover, there is no known mechanical reason why this was so. Both could have been closed or, if jammed, could have been freed. In any event the top lids exhibited nothing during the 2002 survey to prevent them from being closed and secured using the butterfly clips.
The design and operation of the chutes was therefore considered by the RFI.”
The information given to the DfT shows that there are credible alternative reasons, for the covers and flaps to be open.
Yes, the design and operation of the chutes was considered, but only in passing and not along the lines suggested in our paper.
“Whilst acknowledging the criticism that has been expressed towards the findings of the RFI, there is no reason to doubt the outcome of the thorough and expert analysis that led to the report’s conclusions and consequently there is no reason to reopen the investigation.”
We disagree. Reasons for re-examining the outcome of the formal investigation are presented in our paper, which is published online at:
The paper is detailed and includes pictorial explanations and evidence of shortfalls in the RFI.
Here is an extract from the 1995 Merchant Shipping Act, which will remind the Minister that the possibility of getting it wrong, the first or even second time around, has been anticipated and provided for in law:
Re-hearing of and appeal from investigations

269.—(1) Where a formal investigation has been held under section 268 the Secretary of State may order the whole or part of the case to be re-heard, and shall do so—
(a) if new and important evidence which could not be produced at the investigation has been discovered; or
(b) if there appear to the Secretary of State to be other grounds for suspecting that a miscarriage of justice may have occurred.
“In closing, I would like to echo the sentiments expressed in the RFI’s overview, that the crew of the Gaul should now be left to rest in peace undisturbed by the speculation created by their dramatic disappearance.”
The government’s argumentum ad misericordiam to defend the outcome of the RFI is inappropriate and, considering that this put the blame squarely upon the victims, rather cynical.